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              THOUGHT LEADER                        .

              Learning a second language



              helps teachers





              Ron Ragsdale, in conversation

              with Dr Anne O’Keeffe

              As a child in Ireland you will have had   is scope to rephrase the question so that
              to study Irish as a second language in   learners hear it a second time. If you
              school - or, if you were educated in   nominate a student to answer quickly, then
              Irish, English as a second language.   there is no opportunity for cognitive
              What did being taught a second      engagement to take place. It creates what
              language teach you about what to do -   Steve Walsh would call ‘a space for learning’
              and not to do - as a language teacher?   through the strategic use of teacher talk. In
                 rish is a compulsory subject in Irish   terms of classroom management, it also keeps
                 schools, so basically, from the age of   everyone on their toes!
                 about 5 to 18, we learn Irish or, in some
              Icases, go to Irish-medium immersion   What is the most important thing
              schools. I spent one year at an Irish medium   teachers themselves can learn from a
              school when I was 12 and I also studied Irish   Learner Corpus?
              within my university degree. This learning   A learner corpus is simply an electronic
              experience has informed me immensely as an   collection of learners’ writing or speaking. It
              applied linguist. The most successful method   has to be carefully sampled, for example,
              of learning Irish, for me, was total immersion,   based around certain principles, but any
              without a doubt.                    teacher, with consent from learners, can
                When I lecture on language teaching   collect samples of learners’ language and
              methodologies on our Masters in Applied   analyse it. There is free software available,
              Linguistics, I reflect so much on my learning   such as Antconc, and lots of online tutorials
              of Irish. As a learner of Irish, I experienced a   on how to use the software.
              mix of the Grammar Translation Method   By looking carefully at the language of our
              (e.g. rote learning of verb inflections and   learners, we can become more informed
              tenses, lists of vocabulary, reading literary   about what they are finding difficult. This
              texts in Irish, etc.) and the Audio-Lingual   may be as a result of L1 interference but not
              Method (learning through repetition drills   always. Some errors are developmental. All
              and dialogues). To a much lesser degree, I   learners, whether in first or second language
              also experienced some communicative   acquisition, find some aspects of language
              activities.                         tricky.
                Overall, it’s taught me so much about the
              importance of listening and reading so as to                           looking at learner corpora. When you look at a
              gain not just words but their collocates and    From my own            sample of A2 writing, you see that they can
              their patterns in context. It’s taught me much   experience, I think   already do so much that will form the basis for
              about explicit and implicit learning. I debate a                       more learning. An example is when you look
              lot about how languages are learnt, and   if the learner is            at adverb + adjective patterns, you will
              whether we should focus on form or meaning                             typically see learners using very nice, really well,
              in language teaching, with my MA and PhD   open to learning,           and so on. Then when you look at C1 level
              students. From my own experience, I think if                           writing, you can see the exact same pattern
              the learner is open to learning, both form- and   both form- and       but, because their lexical repertoire has grown
              meaning-focused instruction will be of benefit.   meaning-focused      so much, they are using forms like almost
                                                                                     impossible or extremely important. This is so
              How would you explain to your           instruction will be            affirming for a language teacher to see!
              younger teacher self the links between
              academic discourse analysis and the        of benefit.                 Looking at From Corpus to Classroom
              language classroom?                                                    now, what is the one thing you have
              If I met my younger teacher self, I’d probably   Irregular verbs in the past are a good   since learned in Corpus linguistics
              have advice on a lot of things! On the link   example of a developmental error; children   which you would add in to a book like
              between what I now know about discourse   acquiring English as their L1 will say eated   that now and why?
              analysis, my top tip would be to allow ‘wait   before they eventually realise that it should   From Corpus to Classroom was published in
              time’ when you ask a question. Don’t   be ate! If our L2 learners make a   2007 and much has changed in corpus
              immediately pounce on a student to answer   developmental error and say eated instead of   linguistics since then - not least of all: more
              the question, allow a few seconds at least to   ate, we shouldn’t panic. It shows they have   corpora and software are now freely available,
              look around the room and to give students   acquired the -ed rule but have not yet worked   with billions of words available to search
              time to think.                      out the exceptions.                across different corpora. The big innovation
                This ‘wait time’ allows all students to   Learner corpora also show us what learners   is not only the size of the corpora now
              cognitively engage with your question. There   are doing well. And this is what I love about   available, it is the ease of access.
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