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              THOUGHT LEADER                        .


              The woman who wants



              EFL to include everyone




              Ron Ragsdale in conversation with Judit Kormos



                    or us, You are a thought leader   You are particularly known for your work
                    partly because, as a Hungarian   on dyslexia in second language learning
                    working at the University of   – a subject for which Lancaster, and not
              FLancaster, you represent a new     just the university, seems to have
              kind of ELT influencer – not only a   become a world centre. How did you
              woman, but a non-native speaker and an   first become interested?
              EU citizen working in Brexit Britain. Have
              you found this to be an advantage, or a   I became interested in specific learning
              disadvantage, in your career?       difficulties about 20 years ago when one of my
                                                  Masters students asked me if I knew anything
              Being a non-native speaker in an English-  about dyslexia. He assumed that because I
              speaking environment is almost always a   taught psycholinguistics, I would be an expert
              challenge, and I have often perceived myself   on the topic and that I could supervise his    I like solving
              to be lacking the competence of native   dissertation. I had to frankly admit that other
              speakers. In the UK, however, I soon realised   than knowing what the word meant, I had   problems related to
              that it was only my perception – in fact, I am   very little knowledge about dyslexia. So, we   language learning and
              just as legitimate a participant in any   learned together!
              conversation as anybody else.        He was followed by another very       teaching and most of
                I have been helped by the growing   enthusiastic MA student, Ágnes Sarkadi, who   my research questions
              recognition that non-native speakers are not   was dyslexic herself and who was already a
              deficient, and their multilingual competence   strong advocate of rights for dyslexic students   originate from
              is something to be celebrated.      in Hungary. After she finished her
                Lancaster University has a large proportion   dissertation, we won a major grant to start a   classroom practice.
              of international staff and students. So, being   comprehensive research programme on equal
              an international lecturer and researcher in   rights in language education, complemented
              Lancaster gives me different perspectives and   with a clear focus on teacher education. I   What is the most important thing about
              helps me better understand the challenges our   have been working in this area continuously   learners with Specific Learning that
              students face. I also speak several languages,   ever since.           teachers need to know?
              and these multilingual skills have allowed me
              to co-operate with colleagues from a wide   Why has it taken so long for the EFL   It is difficult, but perhaps what I would
              range of backgrounds.               profession to put it on the agenda?   highlight is that student-centred language
                I have recently been working in an EU-                               teaching that uses multi-sensory teaching
              funded project designed to foster inclusive   I think one of the reasons is that very little   methods, guided discovery activities, frequent
              language education in German.       research has been available on dyslexic   revision and recycling is very helpful for
              Unfortunately, Brexit threatens some of these   language learners prior to 2000, and most of   dyslexic learners.
              collaborative ties, and I am deeply concerned   that research was conducted in the USA.   In fact, inclusive language teaching that
              how we will be able to continue our work in   When I proposed our first edited collection   recognises the different strengths and
              the area of dyslexia and language teaching.    on this topic to major international   weaknesses of each student, applies
                                                  publishers, after some initial enthusiasm, they   differentiation techniques, trains students to
              And what was the biggest culture shock   said dyslexia affects a relatively small   apply language learning strategies and pays
              you experienced?                    proportion of students and there was not a big   attention to the varying needs of students,
                                                  enough market for such a book.     benefits all students, not just those who have
              One of the biggest culture shocks was that   It was Multilingual Matters, a small family-  specific learning difficulties.
              people use so many acronyms. Half the time I   owned publisher in the UK, which recognised
              had no clue what was being discussed. But   the niche and the social relevance of the   In collaboration with Bimali Indrarathne,
              now I am probably also guilty of using too   topic and in the end published our edited   you have done three recent studies on
              many myself!                        collection, and later our book with Anne   explicit and implicit learning. How did
                However, I have enjoyed a lot of things   Margaret Smith on teaching languages to   you become interested in this area?
              from the moment I arrived. The most notable   students with specific learning differences.
              was the abundance of resources available in   The publication of the book, and then a   My interest in explicit instruction is also
              terms of teaching and research. In Hungary, I   follow-up EU-funded teacher training project,   linked to the theme of dyslexia and language
              had to buy copier paper and toner myself, and   which won an ELTon award, helped to put   learning. It is generally recommended that
              had very limited access to journals, books and   inclusive language teaching at the forefront of   dyslexic students should be given explicit
              funding.                            the ELT agenda. Now it has become such a   explanations of different language structures
                I also enjoyed that finally I could put   prominent topic that in the past three years   because they find implicit learning
              students at the centre of my teaching, and I   almost every major English language teaching   challenging.
              did not have to make compromises to meet   organization has dedicated at least one   Most of my language teaching experience,
              my students’ learning needs.        conference to this theme.          which I gained in the early years of my career,
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